2010 CHONE projections and Ronny Cedeno E-mail
Written by Pat Lackey   
Monday, 16 November 2009 09:44

BaseballProjection.com released their 2010 CHONE projections for hitters over the weekend. You can check out the Pirates' projections here. Since I've already done a longer post on the Bill James projections and I'm planning on doing another one when more of these come out over the winter, I won't harp too much on guys like McCutchen, Milledge, LaRoche, or Jones. I will point out that Jeff Clement's projection is a nice reminder that the guy is in the system and can hit. Honestly, I'd rather see him at first base and Jones in right field to start the season if Alvarez is a few months away. That'd be better than more of the Steve Pearce/Brandon Moss platoon, at least for me. Then again, Pearce has a pretty strong projection, which is a reminder to take these with a grain of salt (that, or be more positive about Steve Pearce, but I'm going with the salt).

It's also notable that career minor leaguer Brian Myrow has the best offensive projection on the team. He's 32 and put up decent OPSes the last few years with Indianapolis, Charlotte, and Portland (the Padres' PCL team). He's also been in and out of Triple-A since 2004, which is not promising, and I have no idea if he's still in the organization. While it's probably a pipe dream to hope that he's the next Garrett Jones, it does not speak well for the offense that he's projected to be the best hitter.

The other projection I want to point out, as the title suggests, is Ronny Cedeno's. Like so many other guys on the team, it's ugly. His triple slash line is .260/.306/.391 with 16 doubles, three triples, and eight homers. That's bad. We know Cedeno's not great with the bat, but after his five homer "explosion" after the trade, we all kind of adjusted our expectations upwards and did a collective, "Hey, if he stays healthy he could at least be a Jack Wilson analogue for a year or two." This is incredibly optimistic. Check out Wilson's projection with Seattle. His line is worse, but in the AL in a pitcher's park, the R150 (which is linear weights runs per 150 games, normalized for a neutral park) is an identical -18 to Cedeno.

As much as we all liked Cedeno's defense with the Pirates after the trade, UZR didn't agree with that assessment at all and over almost 300 games, he's rated out as a negative defensive player. The Pirates were still right to trade Wilson and I think it's unlikely he would've re-signed here even if Huntington made him an offer equal to the 2-year/$10 million one he signed with Seattle.  As placeholders go, Cedeno's likely to be almost the definition of "replacement value." That probably makes him better than Bixler or Cruz, but thinking that he's an acceptable replacement for Wilson or that having him for 150 games is better than having Wilson for 100 and Bixler/Cruz for 150 is probably a little misguided.


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matt w said:

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It's also notable that career minor leaguer Brian Myrow has the best offensive projection on the team.

Didn't ZIPS or something have Andy Phillips as the lone bright spot last year? (google google...) Well, they had him as the fourth best offensive player behind Doumit, Mario, and McLouth. This strikes me as pretty similar.
 
November 16, 2009
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matt w said:

speaking of andy phillips
...CHONE seems to have him projected as a Pirate, even though they traded him to the White Sox last year and he's now signed with a Japanese team.
 
November 16, 2009
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whygavs said:

Phillips
On his blog, Sean said he did the best he could with guys like that. I'm assuming he just got lost in the shuffle.
 
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Maxwell said:

Cedeno
I think it will be tough for Cedeno to match what Jack did as well, but he is certainly better than any sort of Cruz/Bixler atrocity that we could be facing.

I would be very happy with a season similar to his 2008 when he was a .5 WAR player, with average defense and a below average bat. Anything more would be a bonus, anything less wouldn't really matter, because 2010 is not the priority and we have some depth up the middle in the minors (Mercer, D'Arnaud, Friday, Cunningham, Holt, Diaz).

Either way, Cedeno will be an interesting player to follow this season.
 
November 16, 2009
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Groat2Maz2Strangeglove said:

Defense Wins Games
Pat, I usually enjoy your perspective . . . yet I'm surprised that you appear to downplaying defense so much for next year.
Jeff Clement has played a total of 28 Major and Minor League games at 1st Base, yet you say you would "rather see him at first base and Jones in right field to start the season." A good 1st Baseman with range, and most importantly "pickability" can save his infielders tons of errors and pitchers many, many runs.
Clement not only has no experience at 1st, he is making statements that he wants to come to Spring Training as a catcher——so he is not seeing this 1B opportunity as the Golden Ring chance for him to make it and be a starter in the Bigs.
Garrett Jones showed last season that he is a mediocre to poor outfielder. Putting Clement at 1st then promises TWO subpar defenders in the line-up: not a good omen for our pitch-to-contact pitching staff.
We already know that Ronny Cedeno is not as good defensively as Jack Wilson, and Milledge is not as good defensively as Nyjer, so we already knew we would be a weaker defensive team. Let's put Garrett Jones permanently at 1st Base and see if last year was a fluke while building our strongest defensive team toward consistency. 1st Base is Jones natural and career position before last season.
If Clement's projected/Fantasy numbers prove out at Indy, and Jones doesn't repeat last season, then we have an option.
 
November 17, 2009
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