Brandon Moss and Garrett Jones E-mail
Written by Pat Lackey   
Monday, 13 July 2009 11:56

I had hoped to do some sort of mid-season post today, but I'm having a bit of writer's block about it and may move it to Wednesday, because tomorrow will be Zach Duke day. I also think that writing a post about Brandon Moss and Garrett Jones might serve as a mid-season review; the fact that we're talking about these two guys should indicate where we're at as a baseball team right now.

After a decent run by Lastings Milledge in the GCL and a nice (powerless, but nice) start to his stint in Indy, I've got a feeling that we're going to be down to one open outfield slot sooner rather than later. Unless Adam LaRoche is traded in the near future, and he's not making that task look easy, we're probably going to be down to Jones and Moss for the starting right field spot. This, as I've said, is already an indictment of the team. Moss is probably on what I like to call the, "Nice Player" career track. He's very solid defensively and his bat isn't awful. He's not likely to ever be more than a fourth or fifth outfielder, but I'm guessing he'll have a job for a while because of his good glove and decent bat. Jones, meanwhile, is a never-was who didn't post a Triple-A OPS over .800 until his third full go-round there, but has shown nice pop, something the Pirates sorely lack, in both Indy and his short stint with the Pirates.

If it does come down to the two of them for a playing spot, I have a feeling that the public sentiment is going to be leaning towards Jones. You don't have to look any further than Dejan Kovacevic's mid-season review to find that sentiment:

Bottom position player: Perhaps no player in Major League Baseball has done less with a starting opportunity than Brandon Moss, who did not record his second RBI until May.

I won't argue that Moss has been disappointing this year and I won't argue that he's been our worst position player (though I could), but it's a ridiculous statement to say that no player has done less with a starting job. Using Moss's 237 PAs as a baseline, there are 27 players that have done less than him at the plate this year, including guys who, like Moss, are trying to get established in the big leagues like Chris Davis and Jarrod Saltalamacchia. Chase Headley, another such player, just barely ranks above Moss. Since May 12th, he's actually hit.306/.359/.470. He's still only got 3 homers in that span, but I still think that's reasonably productive.

Jones, on the other hand, has a career .312 OBP in the minor leagues and is 28. I know that John Russell and a lot of people that watched him play in the spring are impressed with his swing, but those sort of numbers just scream to me that he's a quad-A guy that three or four years from now, I'm going to be watching him play for someone's Triple-A squad in Durham and laughing about when he was a Pirate. Moss is still only 25 with good minor league credentials and he's shown both this year and last year that he can hit big league pitching for extended stretches.

Neither Jones nor Moss strikes me as a player that's going to be a long-term starter in the big leagues, but if either one of the two is going to do it, it's almost certainly going to be Brandon Moss.


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w.k. kortas said:

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I don't know about DK, but, for me, the highlight of the first half was the still-unsolved murder of a certain pointy-haired blogger (strangled by a ribbon from his own 1943 Remington manual typewriter)and the subsequent public memorial attended by only two blind former copy boys and a incontinent stray dog...or perhaps I just dreamed that.
 
July 13, 2009
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GrtSm said:

Jones
The way I see it, Garrett Jones is the 2nd coming of a man named Hyzdu... Except Jones didn't have the minor league career of Hyzdu.

Just wait until we find out that Jones can only hit fastballs, that will seem very familiar.
 
July 13, 2009
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Jon said:

B-Moss
I'm starting to get really intrigued by Brandon Moss. Watching him hit recently has suggested that maybe he still has a shot at being a major league outfielder. Maybe he's just a late-bloomer and will come on strong in the second half and then continue that success onto next year and become a piece of the future for the Pirates... now that's incredibly wishful thinking, but sometimes you've gotta be positive.

http://eatsleepmlb.mlblogs.com
 
July 13, 2009
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Tim said:

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I think Moss would be better off if Russell wouldn't keep dicking around with him and just leave him in there.

And I do think Garrett Jones is playing over his head -- but I'd be okay with him playing first if it means we were able to peddle LaRoche.
 
July 13, 2009
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appealtosmail said:

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I agree that Moss should keep developing but if Jones is going to get figured out after one time around the league then let him have that one time around and knock the cover off that ball. Some moon shots and walk offs would lift the spirit of many fans and we all know we're starved for it. Once around, then Moss can do his thing. Where does Delwyn fit into this?
 
July 14, 2009
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Ryan said:

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I think Moss would be better off if Russell wouldn't keep dicking around with
him and just leave him in there.


AGREED. Maybe JR can stop dicking around with our closer in four-run games too.
 
July 14, 2009
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Ryan said:

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But Pat, how could you think Jones isn't an absolute stud when JR would do anything for him! He makes our lineup "very interesting." (JR quote)
 
July 14, 2009
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KPatrick said:

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I'm with you inasmuch as I'd rather see Moss just get 500 PA or so than see them screw around too much with Jones in the OF. We'vbe basically got one chance to see what he can do if handed a job, so let's see it, we've nothing to lose. However, I'm not optimistic about what we'd see, so I wouldn't get real bent out of shape about him sharing time with Jones.
 
July 14, 2009
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Riley said:

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I think if they would leave Brandon Moss in the outfield long enough to get his act together, he would be a very good player for the Pirates. Every time Moss or Sanchez gets started hitting (as in his homerun on Friday), Russell sits them. Hitting every 3 games or so isn't going to do anything for him. These guys need to play as a team, how do you do that when the players are swapped in and out like a basketball game?
 
July 14, 2009
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Nate said:

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I don't disagree with trying to get Capps some work when he hadn't had any in a while.

I vehemently disagree with the way he just let him roast in that game.
 
July 14, 2009
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Nate said:

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Delwyn fits into this as a pinch hitter. That's all he'll ever be as long as he plays in the NL.
 
July 14, 2009
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Nate said:

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Assuming we don't trade LaRoche, I'd like to see Moss get a lot more playing time. We all know that won't happen, though.

If we do trade LaRoche, however, I don't see the harm in making Jones our 1B. It's not like we have any better options.
 
July 14, 2009
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andy coulter said:

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Don't forget some other "wonders" of fourth or fifth outfielders like William Pennyfeather, Steve Carter, Andy Tomberlin, Mike Kingery, Mark Ryal, Dave Clark, Cecil Espy, Albert Hall, RJ Reynolds, and my favorite Pirate name, Sixto Lezcano. Although Lezcano was waaaayyyyy past his prime in 1985 after a good major league career and wasn't much more than a pinch hitter that year. Clark and Espy were good pinch hitters and Reynolds was good to spell Bonds, Bonilla or Van Slyke any day of the week but none were ever any more than that. Now what would this question look like a few years ago before Bay and McLouth became everyday starters?
 
July 14, 2009
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Devon Young said:

I agree
I think the Pirates can use Garrett as a bench player for a couple years. He seems to be hitting his prime. The past 2-3 years, his OBP has risen to a decent level. He played here in Rochester the past 4 years, so I'm a bit familiar with him.
 
July 14, 2009
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Fat Jimmy said:

Why LaRoche?
I disagree with Pat's premise for this post: both can and should get playing time. If -- for some reason -- we aren't able to trade LaRoche by the deadline, we should consider benching him and giving Jones the 1B job. Letting LaRoche play first as a lame duck makes no sense for the long term future of this club. For as unimpressive as Moss has been, and for as unimpressive as Jones' minor league pedigree is, we need each to play. Jones: because we have no other internal 1B option next year (or year after). Moss: because we need a lefthanded bat in the OF (and we need the Bay trade to be anything but a failure)...
 
July 14, 2009
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Anthony S. said:

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Delwyns supposed to be second baseman after Freddy is traded actually
 
July 14, 2009
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Philip said:

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I think the jury is still out on the Bay trade. And he would've never resigned with us if he won't even consider it yet with Boston.
 
July 14, 2009
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MrPedriqueIfYou\'reNasty said:

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Sure, Jones is probably playing over his head but there's really no reason to bench him until his performance turns south. After all, strange things do happen occasionally (Ludwick or Ibanez for example) and Moss losing 100 ABs while we check to find out isn't something to cry over.

I've been using the exact same "nice player" terminology for him myself. Its not a bad thing but blocking him isn't a heartbreaker either in the short term.
 
July 14, 2009
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