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Pat
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... Heh, well, JT, I'd hate to repeat myself: http://whereisvanslyke.blogspot.com/2006/02/inferno.html |
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gregschuler
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... I had a lengthy reply all lined up and ready to go (including typos!), but suddenly lost all interest. I refuse to fight against the useful idiots (Stalin had such a way with words) who propoagate exactly what the organization wants. In fact, the Pirates could not contend for the playoffs, but they could do things in a relatively short order to improve the perceptioon of the team among the fanbase - which would mean a better product on the field. Abreu and Dunn are so much better than almost every player in the entire organization, that adding them for any price would help the Pirates win games. The more I research and read and ponder, the less I believe in the success cycle the smarties swear to. A team can spend money on the amateur talent and provide capable major league ballplayers. If it can't, why try? |
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Pat
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... They CAN, but why do it? The Pirates could drop $40 million+ this winter and bring in Dunn, Abreu, Sheets, and Hudson, but where does that get them? They're still probably not contenders, it doesn't help them beyond this year because none of those guys will sign long-term with the Pirates, and that becomes a significant amount of cash that's no longer being spent on the draft or somewhere useful to the long-term health of the franchise. What's the difference in the ten wins those guys get us? Or more likely, the two or three wins that one or two of them get us? You can try and trade those guys, sure, but prospects are tougher and tougher to pry away every year. There certainly will come a time when the front office and ownership's willingness to open up the checkbook will be tested, but that time just isn't now. |
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K
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... Virgil Vasquez won't be on the 40-man for long. Please stop with the Adam Dunn talk. He's an overpaid beer league softball player. Well, maybe he won't be quite as overpaid anymore... |
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w.k. kortas
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... I believe Stalin also said that if 10 percent of an assertion is true, the whole thing should be treated as fact. The idea of building from within is at least 10 percent true, thus the concept is wholly valid. Deny that if you like, but I'd hate to see you marked as an enemy of the people. |
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Pat
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... Whoa whoa whoa, so we're agreeing with Stalin now? I'm pretty sure Greg didn't mean that as a compliment ... As a sidenote, I've been called some awful things by FanHouse commenters, but I think being compared to Stalin takes the cake. |
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Curtis
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... Nyjer Morgan is still supposed to start in LF. Future be dammed, we need someone else out there. If he plays 140 games out there this season we are all going to need lobotomies to get over the horror. I'm just looking out for everyone's mental health here. It's a different kind of investment for the future. |
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Marc
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... Pat, I don't understand the correlation between Vazquez and Sheetz. Vazquez makes league min, right? Sheetz we aren't sure about so it's not like we can't get sheetz b/c we spent a half mil on Vazquez, if we really want Sheetz, that half mil won't matter. |
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Pat
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...Pat, I don't understand the correlation between Vazquez and Sheetz. I was mostly using it as a jumping-off point, but if you're really curious check out the post by the Pointy Haired Blogger (aka, The Former Columnist Who Shall Not Be Named or Seriously, Just Retire Already) at the PG. |
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Phil
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... I really do not understand the hate for Nyjer Morgan on this blog hahaha. He hit 299 in 07 and 295 last year. He's a great clubhouse guy and I do not see how he could not be a good leadoff hitter in the future. On another note I agree with Pat. Signing these big time names this year would just be money we could possibly need in the future for a "real run". Yes Pirate Fans, the news is in, this year won't be the year we make that run but we're building once again that 2011 or 2012 could be. |
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Caus
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... wouldn't that be a great way to celebrate the 20th anniversary of our last winning season?? by seeing everything NH has been working towards pay off! |
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Deaner
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... It's not a bad pickup in my opinion... I live in Toledo and saw him pitch a gem for the Mud Hens this past summer. |
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gregschuler
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... They shouldn't try to do anything - the Pirates make a profit simply by existing. And the point of most businesses is to do just that - make money. If the discussion is should the Pirates try to win - then yes, the team should make every effort in every conceivable way to improve the organization - no arguments there. But the "tried and true" success cycle isn't the only way. The "Cleveland" method isn't draft and develop - it's take advantage of idiot GMs on other teams and pick up Cliff Lee, Grady Sizemore and Travis Hafner and sprinkle in a few mid-level free agents and watch the team fluctuate from year to year. That's what the Pirates aspire to - very few teams are completely developed internally. And yes, by signing a marquee free agent, especially now when options are few and time is short, sends a very powerful message to the dwindling and impatient fanbase. We listen and care. We know the organization won't be "good" until 2011, if we catch all the breaks, but bear with us and here, enjoy a competitive baseball team. Because signing Abreu and Dunn will not take playing time away from anyone that "needs" or "deserves". Taking playing time away because you're after Hinske and Gonzalezis foolish and short-sighted. The day this team breaks that losing streak, they will gain a large measure of redemption from the fanbase and earn themselves more time to build the organization. The longer that it takes, the worse it gets. But again, if all the Pirates want to do is make money, then who cares? Because the actions of this organization, regardless of the front office since 1997 has been to cut costs everywhere. Who's to say that the money going to Latin America didn't come from the big league payroll? Or that because Kyle Stark doesn't want anyone questioning the Pirates way, they save money by hiring cheaper staff members in the minors, possibly compromising the quality of the instruction and jeopardizing the development of those vaunted prospects. |
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gregschuler
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... Comrade, we both know that the dialectic is in a constant state of flux. We know that only greater glory of the Workers and the glorious Pirate nation are all that matters. Comrade Connelly and Comrade Nutting say so and we dedicate ourselves to their cause! Also, I heard you say Gesundheit, which proves you are a German spy. The Black Maria is on its way. |
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gregschuler
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... I wasn't comparing Comrade Lackey to Comrade Stalin, but rather using a term of affection to describe people that refuse to criticize the organization because they're new and better! A better future awaits! I am no fan of the murdering Georgian, but it is just one of his better phrases. Although to be fair, it was more likely something attributed to him rather than something he said. Useful idiots - such a compelling phrase. |
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gregschuler
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... If the Pirates can't spend money in 2012 because they spent money in 2009, fold the club. Or be honest and admit, we're in it for the money. Signing Dunn to a three year deal for say 10 million a season shouldn't bankrupt the team, and if it does, then the Pirates are frauds. You can argue, as some do, that signing Dunn means less time for other players, but Dunn is automatically better than everyone on the roster right now, even McLouth. And Dunn is 27 years old - it's not like he a 41 yo Luis Gonzalez. Dunn is a great player, despite what Marty Brenneman thinks. Dunn may not want to come to Pittsburgh, but if he does, the Pirates should be on the phone trying to get Dunn signed. Dunn will still be a good player, maybe still a great player, when the Pirates expect to contend in 2012 (funny how that date keeps slipping in the media discussions, isn't it?). |
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